Ms.Croft

Well, to get some more insight into the whole Zip and Lara thing, I've provided some images for us In this picture, we can see what Zip is shooting at. The debris from the pillar behind Lara is spraying, so it looks like it could be a warning shot from Zip to Lara. Here's Lara looking at what was shot previously, and now notice Zip is going to aim towards Lara as she is distracted. Now, finally, we see Lara looking past the pillar into the background possibly at something else Zip shot...a person perhaps. Here, Zip looks quite unhappy to be shooting Lara and Winston is pushing his gun away to stop him. That's what I got from those pictures anyhow Still confused? I am. MsC

Looks like a bargain to me! I'd definitely go for it; it does say it comes with TR Gold and TR2 Gold, so it should do and if you discover it doesn't, just contact the website and I'm sure they'll refund you some money or give you a free gift or something...or send you the Gold copies. As for no FMVs...that sounds rather unlikely in a game like TR as FMVs are so intrical to developing the story unless, of course, it is pirated. Also, this collection comes in 7 disks, so there should be no problem storing the FMVs. The only other problem I can think of with Raider Mans discs is that, yes, they are either pirated, or you've got an XP computer and haven't downloaded the XP patches for the games. I know that in TR: The Last Revelation that if you don't download the XP patch, the savegames do not stick. But yes, to answer your original question Pahkasika, buy it, seems like a steal to me. MsC

Yup, I'm called Lara in real life (Hence my LCO forum name; I'm ever so witty ) and I'm in England...I do get, ironically, the occasional person think I've just typo'd my name and it's actually Laura, then after explaining I am Lara, I get the whole "Oh, Lara Croft." etc. As for a Tomb Raider 3 movie? I dunno--that's up to Eidos before it's up to Angie. If they wanted to make a movie and Angie said no, they'd do it anyway and find an alternative actor. If there's money to be made, business will do it regardless of what's normally stopping them...though Angie owes a lot to Tomb Raider really. The film had her travel to Cambodia and that eventually led to adopting Maddox and helping them. Whether I want a Tomb Raider 3 or not is another matter really...I don't know, I'm still quite undecided, and if it turns out Alison Carroll is a fantastic actor and gets chosen for the part, I'll be happy to know she'll be doing her own backflips. MsC

You're not that happy? I'm terrified I actually am arachnophobic (Quite badly) and I've yet to actually do the giant spider bit in TR2...I can handle tiny small ones in video games but big large ones?! I'll just close my eyes and shoot and jump randomly Thanks for the new high quality one, Tom, it's nice to see it without the bad framerate...Lara looks awesome! MsC

That's why I said "although some articles may in fact say those things." I think a lot of people took something Alison said wrong when the BBC asked her what was in store for her in the future. She said something like, "I would like to do TV and Film." and the narrator made a joke about her acting in Tomb Raider. That's possibly where this confusion has stemmed from. MsC

J7, although some articles may in fact say those things, you need to read some articles a lot more carefully before you send nasty e-mails to them...because in the exact same article you've posted, it says: "Although her Lara role won't involve any movie work, she'll still be kept sufficiently busy traveling the world promoting the latest Tomb Raider game, Underworld, to allow her to quit her day job -- as a receptionist." Just because the same article says "Move over Angelina Jolie" it doesn't necessarily mean they're saying she's being replaced in the movies by her just that maybe Alison is doing a better job at impersonating Lara Croft than Angelina Jolie did. MsC

I think I've been taking this trailer far too literally... *Spoilers Ahead for those who have not watched the Gameplay Trailer* After watching the Gameplay trailer it seems that this teaser trailer is just full of metaphors rather than major plot points: Lara's guns were pointed at Zip's table, in the teaser trailer Lara threatens Zip with her guns. There's a silhouette of what looks like Natla (With wings) in the ash just behind her guns, in the trailer we discover Natla is still alive. Now I don't think Lara blowing up her house in this trailer necessarily is suggesting that Lara is going to blow up her house; rather that Lara is the cause of destruction in TR:U...possibly the destruction of Earth (A globe is burning in the teaser trailer too). Now I just have to look at this trailer again...extremely carefully.

Watch your video's if you dont believe me and I got a pic http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5687/1001360mo5.jpg sorry about quality LCD screen This theory is a LCO exclusive I read around before I found this out no one else has noticed this What you're saying is conjecture, you don't necessarily know that's exactly what happens as the camera pans away; as far as we can tell it could be Lara taking a shot at Zip to protect Winston. And yes, the theory is that Natla is the God, since she cannot die apparantely, so the only weapon powerful enough to even possibly kill her would be Thor's Hammer. Interestingly, does this also mean that Tihocan and Qualopec cannot die? Tihocan's tomb was empty afterall when Lara searched for it, and Qualopec moved as Lara ran away from his tomb. Will she search for them to help destroy Natla? Or will she have to kill them too? MsC

There is a higher definition version of the Gamespot one, but the official HQ one without the gamestop tag, and bad framrate, etc, will be released on Monday as stated here: Clicky! "....before appearing on tombraider.com for full download in high quality on Monday." Also... MsC

and why? This is just my opinion but how come the graphics in the beginning look a little blocky? It's a rather poor quality trailer in all honesty, especially from Gamestop; considering they got the exclusive. They're using trial software by the looks of things since that huge advertisement pops up on screen about 40 seconds in, so it's gonna be a bit low on the quality side. When the proper HD trailer is released on Monday from www.tombraider.com, it'll look much better. MsC

I've looked at the trailer again...and my ideas have switched... I find it ironic I'm more interested in that than the huge surprise at the end :S MsC

Oh my God, that was extremely epic! I can't...I mean, that was even more epic than the teaser trailer! This...I really am speechless... Let me just collect myself and share some theories: Omg, excited! MsC

I love that advert! They don't show it anymore though... I think she sounds most like Lara at the beginning, "So, this is..." and at the end when she says, "I can have these, right?" Aw, Keeley, best voice ever so far! MsC

I really like her! I like how she's actually really getting into this role, taking a crash course in Archeology, fire-arms training, etc. At least she's dedicating herself to the role. I, too, don't see how shaving pimples really matter. I think at the moment, she's suffering from 'New Model Poutitus'. She needs to stop acting like she's modelling for a magazine or run-way, but I think she'll grow and get better. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now. MsC

Just saw the Dark Knight...wow, that was awesome. Wow. That's all I can really say about it. I don't mind his voice changing when he was in the suit, it's what I would do if I were a superhero...albeit I probably wouldn't go so deep and growly since I'm a woman...I'd just add an accent or something I know this sounds sick, but I'm kinda disappointed Overall, best Batman film ever! MsC

Thanks Purple! I got them to work, I love Talim's The manual does not explain that you have to break their guard, it just says press L1 when they're in soul crush condition. Also Purple, I realised that you don't have to be flashing white to perform the move, you just have to have the enemy flashing red. The white flashing is for performing their special skills with the R2 button, Taki's is invisibility for example. Thanks again! MsC

For the life of me, I cannot achieve the critical finishes! I press 'L1' when their bar is flashing red, but all my characters do is make a weird move and then shake their head...beginning to annoy me Those vids showing them are cool, though. Thanks Purple. MsC

Yes, I read that too, Shrensh, and I've always been in the understanding that both games were going to be near identical except from the obvious, e.g. graphics. That list you mentioned is where I got the information earlier in the thread that she won't be able to dual aim in the PS2 version. In the Thread you've linked, this is missing from the PS2 information: *New range of combat options: Choose to pacify or kill, target multiple enemies at once with the new dual-target system, and shoot with one hand while suspended with the other. Whether or not they aren't able to achieve this in last-gen for whatever reasons, I don't know, but as far as I'm aware the levels are going to be near identical and so is the story. MsC

Thank you, Jedicri, for that awesome information! I'll definitely buy this then when I'm next in the shops; Talim is worth it MsC

Firstly, if you are going to open another thread like this in the future when the next-next-gen TR comes out, expect comments, because this is a forum. It's designed so people can share their opinions with each other. We're not angry at you, Raider Man, we're just trying to see that what you're arguing isn't fair by expressing our own opinion. Also, I very much doubt anyone (Unless they're extremely obsessed with Tomb Raider and have some sort of collector's system) is gonna buy both the PS3 version and PS2 version just because they can play it both on their PS3. That'd be crazy. You seem to think this is unfair because TR:U on the PS2 is going to be completely different than the PS3 version. It's not, trust me, it's going to be like Legend was. They'll keep the levels, story, cutscenes, etc, all the same in both versions, they will just have to downgrade the graphics, and perhaps get rid of some small things that aren't possible in last-gen titles. The only game that's going to be completely different is the Wii version, since it uses the Nunchuck and will be controlled differently. MsC

Um, Raider Man, what you're suggesting is conjecture, you have absolutely no idea if the FMVs are gonna be cut...and they're not anyhow, due to the fact there are no FMVs. The cutscenes in the game are all being made by the in-game engine, therefore, they'll be exactly the same. I really don't understand why you're complaining at all, they were not going to release it on the PS2 at all, so what's the problem? You've got the game on the PS2 in the first place because they decided to make it last-gen, so you're just being selfish really. Complain after you've seen more evidence of the PS2 version, because it's not fair on Eidos or Crystal Dynamics to judge them when you have no information on it at all. MsC

Yes, it is true. The level is called Style Units (I think, can't remember perfectly), and it's basically a level the designers created to test the 4 main locations of Tomb Raider (Peru, Greece, Egypt, etc...). As you progress throughout the level, the surroundings change to suit the current location. The level doesn't have an end, and it's cyclical (You end where you began). Quite interesting with the commentary turned on! MsC

Well, to counter-act your negativity of the franchise, because I think it's only fair we give CrystalD a balanced argument here... Legend was short, I agree, but it was their first TR game, launching TR in a completely different direction, trying to revive the series (Which was successfull btw, Legend was the fastest selling TR), so it's only understandable that they may have made it a bit short in the beginning, they were, afterall, 'testing the ropes' so to speak. I haven't encountered any 'bugs' in Anniversary that make it un-playable, and that pole you seem to be having trouble with doesn't sound like a bug to me, more like a tricky jump. If you had posted the difficulty you had here at LCO, we may have been able to help you out with it and you could have finished it. I'm not saying Anniversary doesn't have bugs, there are some, I have seen it posted around, but as soon as major bugs that halted any type of gameplay were discovered, CD had them fixed pretty sharpish with solutions. Finally, the original TR isn't unplayable, I played it one week ago on Vista using new patches and before that on XP. MsC

Half of the appeal of Crysis and Half-Life 2 were the graphics. Those games would have hardly sold as much as they did if the graphics weren't as good as they turned out to be. Obviously, there is a consumer market out there for people who want the best graphics in their games or companies wouldn't be so focused on making their games next-gen with all these fancy new lighting effects, and multiple skin layers. To me, graphics help the player immerse themselves in the game better, and it also allows the director/writer, etc, to tell their story better as they have the tools to do it...look at Mario games on the 2D...hardly any story, and most of it was imagination to the player...and now look at MGS4, in fact, compare MGS to MGS4 and you'll see the difference in story telling. Yes, gameplay is important, but it's not the only thing that needs to be in a game these days, there needs to be a balance of good gameplay, good graphics, good music...atmosphere etc, that's when the games truly stand out. Unfortunately with using last-gen graphics and technology, some things from next-gen TR: Underworld are going to be missing (Like dual-aiming apparantely), but at least fans are getting the choice to have the same story on a console they already have instead of maybe having to wait for ages to get TR:U next-gen. MsC

And how, Raider-Man, when I ask you this, is it fair that I don't get a next-gen version of TR:U because I'm lucky enough to have a PS3? I paid a lot of money for that machine and saved up for months so I could play next-gen titles, and to be honest, I would be extremely annoyed if they didn't make TR: Underworld next-gen after I'm now playing next-gen games. Also, Eidos and CD have really no choice but to upgrade to next-gen, every other games company is doing it, and if they stayed last-gen, they'd probably be losing a lot of profit on next-gen gamers, and a lot of fans. Eidos/CD weren't originally going to put it on the PS2, so you're lucky enough in the first place that they did that for you. Besides, when the next Tomb Raider after Underworld comes out, the price of next-gen consoles then will probably have sunk even lower than they are now and you'll have time to save your money for one. You can't expect them to stay in the past because not everyone can afford to purchase a next-gen console. MsC